Posts tagged ‘Vox Day’
If Vox’s relationship advice were any good, why would he need to rape? (Vox is wrong about women, part 4)
Vox Day, a World Net Daily opinion columnist, gives advice on his blog, Vox Popoli. He tells men how to attract women, and even plan to write a book on the topic. His ilk, his faithful readers, slurp it all up. You may assume that, if Vox is an expert at this, he would know how to get a woman in the mood when he so desires.
But here is a quote(1) by Vox Day:
If the definition of rape is stretched so far to include women who have not given consent, then I am absolutely a serial rapist. So, too, is every man I know.
Vox cannot get women/ his wife to give consent? Why would the Vox Popoli ilk want “Game” advice from someone like that? By own admission, he claims not even to know any man capable of getting consent often enough. Who, then, are the role models, the successful pick-up artists, on who he base his Game theory?
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Notes:
(1) I have, when I still visited his blog, tried to get him to answer on what he means there. How can he sleep with someone who have not given consent, and believe he have not raped? Like all other questions I ever directly asked him, he failed to provide an answer. (Except once when I asked him a rhetorical question which he answered wrong. On some topics he simply cannot defend his opinions.) And the comments to that blog post are not visible to me.
(2) Some readers may wonder why I make a blog post like this without strongly criticizing sexual violence in it. But such an addition would teach the intended audience for this blog post nothing.
(3) (This last note was added after Transplanted Texan called Vox a Christian in the comments) Vox has a world view called Christian Patriarchy, a system of cherry-picked Bible verses (here and here) for putting a religious cloak on misogyny. His view that all men he know are rapists like him is probably partly a mistaken belief to justify his own crime, and partly evidence of the true nature of Patriarchy. “Christian” Patriarchy would fit a rapist – or any male sociopath – like a glove, as it promotes abject and total female submission. In retrospect, it is completely unsurprising to me that one of Vox’s blog commenters gave me a link to a BDSM-related site to tell me what kind of a man I should look for to marry.
More of my opinions on patriarchy here and here, and on Vox here, here, and here.
Vox Day is wrong about women: Part 3, working women
C) Claims evidentially wrong things about women’s effect on society:
Vox claim #5) …Unlike immigrants, women don’t create any additional demand by entering the work force. The Law of Supply and Demand is an iron one. If supply rises faster than demand, the price falls.
(Bold mine)
Vox is really, actually blind enough to believe that women do not create any additional demand by working? Vox is proveably factually wrong. Even the most superficial thinker on this topic has to admit that it increases the need for things like neat women’s wear, for transport, for day-care for children, and for readily-prepared food.
It increase the demand for buildings – women who previously spent most of her time at home now spends a lot in an office/ workshop/ store/ consulting room, and some time at home. Children now need both a home and a day-care centre. These are examples and not an exhaustive list of how working women increase demand.
Deeper thoughts may include that many, Vox among them, believe that working women take a large part of the blame for the increase in divorce. Divorce, abhorrent as we may find it, increases demand. It is more expensive for two adults to run two households than to run one. (By one study, two together live as cheaply as one-and-a-half seperately.)
Vox or his fans may reply with: “But the increase in demand is not as big as the increase in supply! Wether that is true or not, it will be moving the goalposts. The original claim was that “women don’t create any additional demand by entering the work force.”
And suppose women entering the work force makes less of a difference to demand than to supply, this still makes them exactly the same as men entering the work force. The material needs of, say, a boy in his last year of high school, and a newly employed young male who was in high school last year, are pretty much the same.
Is this a silly little detail which only an ankle-biter can complain about? No. This is an example of how Theodore Beale (Vox Day)’s prejudices cause him to miss the simplest and most obvious facts about the opposite sex. He blames women (to quote the name of the piece I link to: “Now this you can blame on women”) for things obviously equally true of men. I assert that he misses the facts to an equally large extend when discussing the character of women.
Vox Day is wrong about women: Part 2
Vox:
B) Irrationally uses things that does not qualify as evidence for evidence:
So, if someone deny something strongly, the truth of it is underlined? Vox vehemently deny that women’s votes are good for society. Does that underline the reality of women’s votes being good for society? He vehemently denies the rationality of Sam Harris. Does that make Harris rational?
Vox claim #4) Do you know the story of Snow White? Then surely you remember how the seven dwarves took her in when she was homeless, provided her with food and shelter, and cared so much about her that they shed tears for her and built her a spectacular crystal pedestal.
And of course, you will recall that she ran off with Prince Charming at the very first opportunity.
…we can draw two important conclusions from the fairy tale. One, behaving like a dwarf won’t get you the girl.
What, according to him, was the behavior of the dwarfs, behavior that won’t get the girl? It was providing for her and treated her as important (“Pedestalize” is the word he always use for that.) Snow White, he claims, did not really care about provision or a pedestal, but ran off despite it. (Leave aside, for a moment, that Snow White is fictitious.)
Think for a moment: Who could provide better food and housing and clothes, the prince or the dwarfs?
Which is the better pedestal: A glass coffin? OR The title princess, a royal wedding, and the opportunity to order servants around in a palace, rather than cook and clean for dwarfs?
If Snow White is a metaphor for female behavior, she is not evidence at all that a pedestal and provision is not what women want. (Is his inability to notice this perhaps due to his being the son of a very rich man, and wanting to rationalize that his personality, not his dad’s money, attracted females to him?)
His second conclusion is not even in the story. It is something he prefers to ascribe to the prince’s behavior: The prince don’t stick around, Vox claims, to ask the girl twice.
Conclusion:
On topics related to women, Vox cannot apply his observations rationally.
(To be continued)
Vox Day is wrong about women (Part 1)
Blogger Vox Day, on his blog, tries to tell men what women are like and how to approach relationships. Leaving aside for a moment my theory that his view on women may be selection bias, let us examine the evidence: Is Vox objective, and likely to refer to accurate data, when discussing women? How correct is he on the topic? He:
A) Claims evidentially wrong things about male/ female relationships:
Vox claims #1) If you want to keep a relationship going, act like an alpha male. (Implied in most of his posts on game.)
Now, while it is a truism that some women fall, short term, for alphas, an alpha male statistically has a smaller chance of staying married. For every married alpha (40,9% of them are married) there are 0.54 divorced alphas. For every married man who had only 1-2 sexual partners* (78% of them are married) there are 0,037 divorced ones.
Acting like an alpha is great for the pick up artist, not for keeping a woman. An alpha’s marriage is, in fact, 14 times as likely to end in divorce. Vox is probably giving sound advice for the pick up artist on how to get short term relationships (one night stands), but atrocious advice to the married man.
Actually, partners over 25 are more statistically likely to give you a stable, lasting marriage. It is the younger partners that are most likely to sink a marriage. It is a very risky and probably foolish endeavor to marry if you or your partner is under 25, even more so if both of you are.
Vox evidentially does not always know what he talks about when giving advice on this topic.
(To be continued.)
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Note:
*This statistical source uses alpha in the same sense as Vox does, but not beta. Vox arranges men in at least 7 groups, of whom betas have more success with women than anyone except alphas and sigmas. This source use beta as the opposite of alpha.)
