Vox Day is wrong about women: part 4, Aspects of Vox’s world view that make it easy to believe he could, potentially, be a rapist

Note, 8 April 2013: This used to contain a piece that suggested Vox Day is a self-admitted rapist. It also asked why, if he cannot get a woman to consent, he would be giving “game” advice, telling men how to get women to give in to them. One of his supporters told me that I should read his statement on consent as referring to “verbal or written” consent. The supporter’s claim included no evidence, no quote from Vox that would make this the likely interpretation. Vox’s wife Spacebunny (in rude language that include “pathetic” and “low reading comprehension” – standard fare for her) said this weekend that the supporter was right. Judge for yourself if my assessment of it was reasonable. (I took the statement to mean that Vox sleeps with women/ a woman multiple times, who have not consented)

Vox Day actually, really wrote these words on his blog:

If the definition of rape is stretched so far to include women who have not given consent, then I am absolutely a serial rapist. So, too, is every man I know.

According to Spacebunny, the quote should be read in context with other things he said about rape. I actually did – here are the things I could remember that gave me a context for those words:

Other things that gives me an impression of him that is compatible with him being a rapist:

> He actually has a blog article with the name “When rape is comedy gold” – This gives me some idea of his view of rape.

> He believes marital rape does not exist. It is entirely possible that someone like him could rape his wife and not see himself as a rapist.

> He supports “Christian” patriarchy, a systym for putting a religious cloak on misogyny. The tenets of said system say, among others: * that God is male (God the father calls himself father, but is also described as having breasts and a womb in the bible, but no male organs. God the father and the holy spirit are spirit, and have neither male nor female bodies. Jesus was male, but if you understand what Jesus came to earth to be, that won’t support any claims of male supremacy.) * that the man (not woman) is the image and glory of God in terms of authority, and men should have authority over women * that fathers are sovereign – Possessing supreme or ultimate power  – over their children’s training  (Sovereign? Doesn’t God and the law, or the teenage or adult child himself/ herself, also have a say?) * that it is not fitting for women to work alongside men as their functional equals in public

> He believes there is no form of equality, even spiritually, between men and women. (In that, he denies something that the Tenets of Patriarchy pay lip service to.)

> He believes date rape does not exist.

> His normal way of discussing women is not as full human beings, but as objects of desirability, rating them by a scale of 1 to 10.

> His reason for wanting to change laws on rape to laws that will give women less protection (neither date rape nor marital rape exist, according to him) is because “he said, she said” is no basis to regard someone as a criminal. The courts already know that. The courts already use “innocent until proven guilty” as a measure.

; His view that women “rate themselves by their hottest-ever hookup” (the most desirable man they ever slept with) would not give him any sympathy with rape victims either. The logical consequence will be that if she is raped by a man uglier than her hottest hook-up, it would have no influence on the woman’s feelings about herself. And if the rapist is “hot”, or of she was a virgin, then rape could actually improve her self image.

Vox wrote, as recently as this year:

encouraging men to rape would be considerably less damaging to a society than encouraging women to enter the workforce en masse.

So, decide for yourself:

> Is it credible to regard Vox Day as a self-admitted rapist?

> Was it credible to regard him as one, up until the day his wife said I should read his words as “verbal or written” consent?

> Is it utterly ridiculous, and a sign of low reading comprehension, to regard him as a rapist?

Vox Day is wrong about women: Part 3, working women

C) Claims evidentially wrong things about women’s effect on society:

Vox claim #5) …Unlike immigrants, women don’t create any additional demand by entering the work force. The Law of Supply and Demand is an iron one. If supply rises faster than demand, the price falls.

(Bold mine)

Vox is really, actually blind enough to believe that women do not create any additional demand by working? Vox is proveably factually wrong. Even the most superficial thinker on this topic has to admit that it increases the need for things like neat women’s wear, for transport, for day-care for children, and for readily-prepared food.

It increase the demand for buildings – women who previously spent most of her time at home now spends a lot in an office/ workshop/ store/ consulting room, and some time at home. Children now need both a home and a day-care centre. These are examples and not an exhaustive list of how working women increase demand.

Vox or his fans may reply with: “But the increase in demand is not as big as the increase in supply! Wether that is true or not, it will be moving the goalposts. The original claim was that “women don’t create any additional demand by entering the work force.”

And suppose women entering the work force makes less of a difference to demand than to supply, this still makes them exactly the same as men entering the work force. The material needs of, say, a boy in his last year of high school, and a newly employed young male who was in high school last year, are pretty much the same.

Is this a silly little detail which only an ankle-biter can complain about? No. This is an example of how Theodore Beale (Vox Day)’s prejudices cause him to miss the simplest and most obvious facts about the opposite sex. He blames women (to quote the name of the piece I link to: “Now this you can blame on women”) for things obviously equally true of men. I assert that he misses the facts to an equally large extend when discussing the character of women.


PS, added 22 May 2013

A flaw was found in a secondary arguments so I deleted it.

Vox Day is wrong about women: Part 2


 B) Irrationally uses things that does not qualify as evidence for evidence:

Vox claim #3) :  Romance novels and romance TV are nothing more or less than female porn. Most women will furiously deny it, but their very vehemence underlines the reality.

So, if someone deny something strongly, the truth of it is underlined? Vox vehemently deny that women’s votes are good for society. Does that underline the reality of women’s votes being good for society? He vehemently denies the rationality of Sam Harris. Does that make Harris rational?

 Vox claim #4) Do you know the story of Snow White? Then surely you remember how the seven dwarves took her in when she was homeless, provided her with food and shelter, and cared so much about her that they shed tears for her and built her a spectacular crystal pedestal.

And of course, you will recall that she ran off with Prince Charming at the very first opportunity.

…we can draw two important conclusions from the fairy tale. One, behaving like a dwarf won’t get you the girl.

 What, according to him, was the behavior of the dwarfs, behavior that won’t get the girl? It was providing for her and treated her as important (“Pedestalize” is the word he always use for that.) Snow White, he claims, did not really care about provision or a pedestal, but ran off despite it. (Leave aside, for a moment, that Snow White is fictitious.)

 Think for a moment: Who could provide better food and housing and clothes, the prince or the dwarfs?

Which is the better pedestal: A glass coffin? OR The title princess, a royal wedding, and the opportunity to order servants around in a palace, rather than cook and clean for dwarfs?

 If Snow White is a metaphor for female behavior, she is not evidence at all that a pedestal and provision is not what women want. (Is his inability to notice this perhaps due to his being the son of a very rich man, and wanting to rationalize that his personality, not his dad’s money, attracted females to him?)

His second conclusion is not even in the story. It is something he prefers to ascribe to the prince’s behavior: The prince don’t stick around, Vox claims, to ask the girl twice.


 On topics related to women, Vox cannot apply his observations rationally.

 (To be continued)

Vox Day is wrong about women (Part 1)

Blogger Vox Day, on his blog, tries to tell men what women are like and how to approach relationships. Leaving aside for a moment my theory that his view on women may be selection bias, let us examine the evidence: Is Vox objective, and likely to refer to accurate data, when discussing women? How correct is he on the topic? He:

A) Claims evidentially wrong things about male/ female relationships:

Vox claims #1) If you want to keep a relationship going, act like an alpha male. (Implied in most of his posts on game.)

Now, while it is a truism that some women fall, short term, for alphas, an alpha male statistically has a smaller chance of staying married. For every married alpha (40,9% of them are married) there are 0.54 divorced alphas. For every married man who had only 1-2 sexual partners* (73,8% of them are married) there are 0,037 divorced ones.

Acting like an alpha is great for the pick up artist, not for keeping a woman. An alpha’s marriage is, in fact, 14 times as likely to end in divorce. Vox is probably giving sound advice for the pick up artist on how to get short term relationships (one night stands), but atrocious advice to the married man.

Vox claims #2… it is a very risky and probably foolish endeavor for men to marry women over the age of 25.

Actually, partners over 25 are more statistically likely to give you a stable, lasting marriage. It is the younger partners that are most likely to sink a marriage. It is a very risky and probably foolish endeavor to marry if you or your partner is under 25, even more so if both of you are.
Vox evidentially does not always know what he talks about when giving advice on this topic.
(To be continued.)



*This statistical source uses the word “alpha” in the same sense as Vox does, but not “beta”. Vox arranges men in at least 7 groups, of whom betas have more success with women than anyone except alphas and sigmas. This source use beta as the opposite of alpha.)